5/4/2010 3:26:16 PM
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Section 5: OPA Board Subject: OC Bayside Debacle Msg# 737625
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Your characterization of this as a "debacle" just goes to show how you have come to make judgments without a clue as to the facts. Ahhh, here we go again on the adjectives. I'll stand by the one used, given the overall context of the 99-year lease negotiations and what has been said publicly by board members about the new 5-year lease. I happen to believe it is a well-thought out and "good" document with proper safeguards and a fair lease payment for OPA. Do you think anyone would expect you to say otherwise? I'm sure Judy Boggs was saying much the same when she signed the Steen/OPA/YMCA contract. Bill, one does not reach to state of perfection upon being elected OPA president, something history has repeatedly shown. I'm sure Dan Stachurski said or thought as much when the prior lease was negotiated, despite our recent consultant report indicating the lease was under valued. Your calling the agreement "top-secret" is just your way to attempt to cause undue concern to forum members. Would just "secret" as opposed to "top-secret" make you any happier? Your "undue concern" comment yet again displays a lack of confidence in the metal ability of members. I don't ask association members to take my opinion as gospel. In this case I even provided about 5 video clips for their review. Top-secret. Super-secret. Secret. Confidential. Call it whatever you want. Regardless of the adjective, the net result is association members could not see it. There is no way that this agreement should have been "approved" on this forum, or at town meetings, or in the press. A strawman. Who on earth suggested anything remotely like what you write above? No me. However, the more eyes looking at anything could make for some good advice for the board. The last five-year lease was discussed and approved in public board meeting. The world did not end. The agreement has been reviewed by our attorney You mean the same attorney Heather Cook called the "Supreme Court of Ocean Pines?" Same as reviewed the Steen/OPA/YMCA contract? Perhaps an association members review of that document might have avoided the current court case. Really? Under what conditions in the next four years can you come up with anything to justify spending one cent for a new walkway? Perhaps in the same manner a prior board spent $1 million on a pool cover? Perhaps a cost/benefit analysis would be positive for the walk. I don't know for sure, and neither do you., and neither you nor I know what any given board will decide to do on any given issue. Point is, why should we have to ask Seacrets permission? (You can keep patting yourself on the back for repeatedly pointing this out to us and the readers of this forum, but some of us did not need such constant reminding.) I suppose it is the result of being told I didn't know what I was talking about so many times. But you have been offering lots of opinions without much information, so why stop now? Not true. My comments are based on public remarks by Marty Clarke about how OPA would need Seacrets permission to build a walkway, and presumably anything else OPA might decide to do. Clarke reiterated those remarks today. This was also reinforced by your comment to me after the board meeting that it didn't make any difference because OPA had a good relationship with Seacrets. Then there is Les Purcell who told me the expiring 5-year lease was for parking only. Don't say the lease is "top secret"; you know that as soon as it's signed you have a right to a copy. This is great to know. Let me see if I have this right.... the lease is not top-secret (but maybe secret) but no one can see it until after is is declassified. You have made comments on such things on an interim and initial report by a committee that the information on wetlands may be incorrect. Could be, but this is an interpretation based on some vague and remotely possible official's opinion that something "might" be able to be negotiated to change the classification. Filling the wetlands in is something you postulated as a result of this reclassification, and IMO is farfetched even should reclassification be approved. My cast on my right hand came off today. Great. Finally, it isn't about keeping ME informed; it is about keeping association members informed and making decisions with as much input as possible. This Seacrets lease did not require secrecy.
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For reference, the above message is a reply to a message where: Joe, Your characterization of this as a "debacle" just goes to show how you have come to make judgments without a clue as to the facts. I happen to believe it is a well-thought out and "good" document with proper safeguards and a fair lease payment for OPA. Why not just make the new lease public? We will, as soon as it is returned, signed. Not doing so is a courtesy to the other party. There is no high priority need for you to have the information NOW, before we have the signed copy. How your competition, the Progress, was informed I do not know, but the membership will be informed soon. The information is not time sensitive. Your calling the agreement "top-secret" is just your way to attempt to cause undue concern to forum members. But, as you say, this is just a forum and people can post what they want. You complain about you or the membership not being involved in the lease agreement process. Well, too bad. This is not a democracy. We were elected to represent the membership and to do such things as agree to leases. Read the Articles of Incorporation, Article THIRD, paragraph 8. To do so with another party in public is not a good idea, nor do we require membership approval by referendum. If you don't like the governing documents, get them changed, but we are "paid" to do our jobs. There is no way that this agreement should have been "approved" on this forum, or at town meetings, or in the press. The agreement has been reviewed by our attorney, the newly formed contract/lease advisory "team," and by each member of the Board. If, once you see it you don't approve of what we have done, then fire away. If you believe that we should have gotten more in lease payments, fine. That would be an opinion based on facts and then you could tell us how we screwed it up IYO. If the lease were for parking use only, It is for parking only, but it also recognizes the minor encroachment and allows that encroachment to remain while protecting our absolute right to require removal at the end of the lease period. (You can keep patting yourself on the back for repeatedly pointing this out to us and the readers of this forum, but some of us did not need such constant reminding.) As for a walkway being farfetched, I don't consider anything farfetched when it comes to what some board may decide. Really? Under what conditions in the next four years can you come up with anything to justify spending one cent for a new walkway? In fact, it might be a good idea to build the walkway. Really? Again, do you really think this could be a "good idea." How much money would you suggest we might spend that might support this "good idea"? Maybe you should run for the Board with such "good ideas." I can't offer an opinion without more information. But you have been offering lots of opinions without much information, so why stop now? You have made comments on such things on an interim and initial report by a committee that the information on wetlands may be incorrect. Could be, but this is an interpretation based on some vague and remotely possible official's opinion that something "might" be able to be negotiated to change the classification. Filling the wetlands in is something you postulated as a result of this reclassification, and IMO is farfetched even should reclassification be approved. Not having seen the lease agreement, it is difficult to describe any concerns .... Yes, but you have shown that you have been able to overcome this "difficulty" and offer your opinions anyway. Okay, now you will respond with if we only would keep you informed ....... Well, in this case, I'd like to know exactly why you feel the need to speculate on this without waiting for the facts to be presented. Don't say the lease is "top secret"; you know that as soon as it's signed you have a right to a copy. My cast on my right hand came off today. |
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